Posts by still thinking

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Idle question about Abraham and Human Sacrifice

by corpusdei in

i don't have my usual resources in front of me, so i can't fact check this, but there's been something bothering me.

one of the things mentioned quite often as evidence of the wickedness and evil practices of the false religion that surrounded ancient israel is the practice of child sacrifice (baal and molech being the frontrunners as i recall).

but ...... didn't god tell abraham to kill his own son isaac as a human sacrifice?

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tec....most of the time I really like your reasoning...however, this one just reminded me of how I was thinking when I was studying with the witnesses.

I don't need to change anything about the bible, though. I just need to follow Christ. Guaranteed there are many things that you and I and others do not understand about OT accounts, and also NT ones. I think that's a given, considering the time span, the translations, the difference in cultures, etc. But when I, myself, do not understand something, then I simply look to Christ. I'm not saying, NO that never happened... I am just saying that there is something I do not understand, something that seems missing, and so I will look to the Truth (Christ), to carry me through these things that I don't understand.

There were many things I didn't get...but I used to pray for them to be made clear to me...the only place that got me, was nearly baptized........I am not saying that you are wrong...just that I am very confused at the moment and this type of reasoning hasn't helped me a lot in the past.

I suppose you are really saying just follow Christ without needing to understand the bible...but isn't this where christ is being taught? How else would we have heard about him?

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Idle question about Abraham and Human Sacrifice

by corpusdei in

i don't have my usual resources in front of me, so i can't fact check this, but there's been something bothering me.

one of the things mentioned quite often as evidence of the wickedness and evil practices of the false religion that surrounded ancient israel is the practice of child sacrifice (baal and molech being the frontrunners as i recall).

but ...... didn't god tell abraham to kill his own son isaac as a human sacrifice?

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NewChapter....I know what you mean...it is scary when you realise how totally sucked in you can be...for some reason we are able to switch of parts of our reasoning brain when we are being told what we want to hear...

I really am trying hard to change that....

***edit**** please excuse ALL the spelling and writing errors in my post above..clearly that part of MY brain is switched off today...hee hee hopefully you still get the gist

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Idle question about Abraham and Human Sacrifice

by corpusdei in

i don't have my usual resources in front of me, so i can't fact check this, but there's been something bothering me.

one of the things mentioned quite often as evidence of the wickedness and evil practices of the false religion that surrounded ancient israel is the practice of child sacrifice (baal and molech being the frontrunners as i recall).

but ...... didn't god tell abraham to kill his own son isaac as a human sacrifice?

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Lars....maybe your Jehovah god does need to be thrown out with the bathwater....(don't know why JW's love to use that expression so much???)

have you EVER considered that HE may not be the god you think he is? Maybe if you can switch off your watchtower brain for just one minute you might actually see that many things in the bible just aren't what they appear to be.

Just imagine for one minute that YOU may not be right all the time.....I know its hard, but just bear with me....just consider the possibility that you may have interpreted the bible incorrectly or that the GB my have (since ultimately they are just humans and can and are often wrong)...where does that leave your beliefs? Where does that leave you? Would it make you feel very uncomfortable? Or, do you prefer the safety of a possible false certainty?

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Idle question about Abraham and Human Sacrifice

by corpusdei in

i don't have my usual resources in front of me, so i can't fact check this, but there's been something bothering me.

one of the things mentioned quite often as evidence of the wickedness and evil practices of the false religion that surrounded ancient israel is the practice of child sacrifice (baal and molech being the frontrunners as i recall).

but ...... didn't god tell abraham to kill his own son isaac as a human sacrifice?

still thinking

Even in the OT gods followers were told....DO NOT KILL...but Jehovah seems to make exeptions when it is for him or HIS people. Killing is not only Ok"d but encouraged.

The NT however expands on this by telling us not only shouldn't we kill, but we should love our enemies. Did god change his mind? He really is doing flip flops if this is the same god.

Romans 13:9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

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Idle question about Abraham and Human Sacrifice

by corpusdei in

i don't have my usual resources in front of me, so i can't fact check this, but there's been something bothering me.

one of the things mentioned quite often as evidence of the wickedness and evil practices of the false religion that surrounded ancient israel is the practice of child sacrifice (baal and molech being the frontrunners as i recall).

but ...... didn't god tell abraham to kill his own son isaac as a human sacrifice?

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marking this corpusdei...this is another good point that you raise...I am seriously starting to think differently about who this god Jehovah really is....

2 Corinthians 13:11 Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.

1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

THis does not sound like the same God as in the OT

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

sizemik....Good point that you raise too....a lot of the bible seems to seriously contradict what Jesus told us about his father. Maybe he was trying to tell us that the Jehovah God is not the God we should be worshiping...kind of makes sense when you look at the type of religions the Jehovah God inspires. And what they do.

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Smackdown! Jesus vs. Paul.

by transhuman68 in

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lol.

i was reading the pagan christ by tom harpur (allen & unwin 2004) and a found a reference to this website: http://www.jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/jhcjp.htm.

an interesting article about the historical jesus and whether he even existed at all, and if paul knew of him, or was referring to a mythical-type of christ.. personally, i'm starting to think jesus never existed....

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Hi Trans, I'm gonna read that a bit later so am marking for now...

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Well I've been 10 years on here

by mouthy in

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am i still the oldest?

84???

?and the stupidist?.

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Happy anniversary don't know about you being the stupidist.....I think we might all hold that title at one time or another...

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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

by gaiagirl in

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jw's frequently say that the first human couple were "perfect" and would have lived forever until they gave up perfection by their disobedience.. however, closer reading of the genesis account shows that they were never perfect, instead, they were designed to grow old and die, just like the rest of the animals.

jehovah has adam name all the animals, but finds that none of the animals is suitable as a companion (wonder how this was determined)?.

jehovah clones a companion for adam, and tells them to not eat the fruit of a certain tree, or they will die "in that very day".

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Gen 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless.

Here is another situation where God appeared to someone (although no one can see him and live). You cannot actually say that he appeared as Michael or anyone else for that matter because the literal Hebrew translation is "Yah-weh (LORD) appeared to him".

Then he went on to claim that HE was God Almighty.......how can this be?

sizemik You make an interesting point too, I am starting to wonder if this Jehovah (Yahweh) god is not the deceiver and a false God.

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Refuting the ARGUMENT BY DESIGN.

by nicolaou in

it's tiresome and it doesn't add up but it's one of the most popular arguments for god's existence, "the argument by design.

" jehovah's witnesses and other believers point out a wonder of nature like the eye and compare it to a 'lesser' mechanical wonder of human design like a camera.

the supposed conclusion is that this natural wonder is evidence of creation by a powerful designer; god.. .

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marking

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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

by gaiagirl in

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jw's frequently say that the first human couple were "perfect" and would have lived forever until they gave up perfection by their disobedience.. however, closer reading of the genesis account shows that they were never perfect, instead, they were designed to grow old and die, just like the rest of the animals.

jehovah has adam name all the animals, but finds that none of the animals is suitable as a companion (wonder how this was determined)?.

jehovah clones a companion for adam, and tells them to not eat the fruit of a certain tree, or they will die "in that very day".

still thinking

I'm not so sure about that...where exactly does the bible say that Jehovah is Almighty God?